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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 18:34:39 GMT -6
I know that. But you're not going to disprove Woodrow's belifs by debating against Islamic extremists. Consider how Jesus treated a Samaritan woman. Samaritans were religiously despised by the Jews yet Jesus did not denounce her. And was the "good neighbor" not also a Samaritan? Islam IS extremist. The Muslim people in general are not all extremists but anyone who says that they are a Koran following Islamist Muslim, like Woodrow says he is, IS engaged in a false Christian belief full of hate and vengeance because their god is Muhammad.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 18:37:33 GMT -6
Woodrow says that he practices ISLAM. ISLAM is NOT Christian. Gads Horrors Christians do not pratcice ISLAM they are not Muslims. Maybe I should hide under the nearest bridge until they all go away. Of course I do not Practice Christianity. I can't I do not believe the NT is true. I have no objection over anyone being Christian. But I am not going to.be a Christian. I follow what I believe Jesus(as) taught. I do not believe we are supposed to worship him. Right, you don't believe the New Testament is true but you follow what Jesus taught...duh! did Jesus teach what is written in the New Testament?
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Post by jstwebbrowsing on Sept 26, 2013 18:38:24 GMT -6
And do you ever worry a Muslim may suicide bomb you? Suicide bombing is quite new to Muslims. No Muslim capable of reading would consider suicide bombing. Suicide is a very serious sin. We are not even permitted to get Tattoos and should avoid even cutting hair except for what is necessary for sanitary reasons. We are fobidden to deliberatly harm our bodies in any manner. As a suicide bomber can not repent for killing himself, he has completely removed himself from ever reaching heaven. But outside of that between 1959 and 1989 I lived in the Islamic nations quite often. Never felt threatened or in harm's way at any time. What is it these terrorists draw on? If Islam teaches peace then I would assume terrorists have a misapplication of it's teachings just like I think violent Christians use a misapplication Christianity. How do these extremists justify it, do you know?
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Post by jstwebbrowsing on Sept 26, 2013 18:45:12 GMT -6
Islam IS extremist. The Muslim people in general are not all extremists but anyone who says that they are a Koran following Islamist Muslim, like Woodrow says he is, IS engaged in a false Christian belief full of hate and vengeance because their god is Muhammad So what are the teachings about violence in the Qua'ran? I think Islam is false, but I want to be accurate about any specific charges. If it really theaches violence then okay. But just saying it teaches violence because some Muslims are violent, I don't think is enough. It seems to me it is possible extremists are apostate Muslims. Without knowing the actual teachings from the Qua'ran I cannot say and that's all you are giving as evidence.
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Post by nabilbb on Sept 26, 2013 18:48:17 GMT -6
Sky, You are ignorant about Islam. And certainly, not equipped to debate in a puplic forum.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 26, 2013 18:58:43 GMT -6
Suicide bombing is quite new to Muslims. No Muslim capable of reading would consider suicide bombing. Suicide is a very serious sin. We are not even permitted to get Tattoos and should avoid even cutting hair except for what is necessary for sanitary reasons. We are fobidden to deliberatly harm our bodies in any manner. As a suicide bomber can not repent for killing himself, he has completely removed himself from ever reaching heaven. But outside of that between 1959 and 1989 I lived in the Islamic nations quite often. Never felt threatened or in harm's way at any time. What is it these terrorists draw on? If Islam teaches peace then I would assume terrorists have a misapplication of it's teachings just like I think violent Christians use a misapplication Christianity. How do these extremists justify it, do you know? You have to look at the short history of Islamic Extremists. Go back to when Russia was invading Afghanistan. We supported bin Laden and financed his setting up an army to beat the daylights out of the Russians. He or rather those he hired set up training camps (sl Qaida) to train students (Taliban) to kill Russians. He or some one doing the training took a lesson from the Japanese Kamikaze. but hit upon the idea of using sex as the motivation. They recruited thousands of young kids that had barely reached the age of Puberty and promised them 72 virgins if they got killed They proved to be very effective. the Russians were defeated there no longer was any need for young people trained for no purpose except to blow themself up and now them Loose canons are running around. Well armed with American made weapons from the days they were needed to fight Russians. Short History of the suicide bombers, but pretty much to the point. The justification is a bunch perhaps thousand of former young kids that are now middle aged, that were fed a bunch of nonsense about getting 72 virgins if they blow themselves up. they have never had any training except to kill. they feel betrayed by America and feel they were left to die. angry people with a grudge against the world and were well trained to kill and still have a very large supply of weapons. The wording of the Qur'an is "we will be greeted in heaven by companions of the highest virtue." I am afraid those expecting an endless orgy are going to be very disappointed.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 18:59:20 GMT -6
Sky, You are ignorant about Islam. And certainly, not equipped to debate in a puplic forum. Yeah, I can't see Islam on the world stage....Evil doesn't need to be debated...duh...
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Post by jstwebbrowsing on Sept 26, 2013 19:01:29 GMT -6
Of course I may be in the wrong thread.
If I were to debate Islam it would probably start with Christ's role in God's purposes. That is the biggest difference I have seen so far.
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Post by nabilbb on Sept 26, 2013 19:03:22 GMT -6
You don't even know what is Quran, you don't even know the difference between nationality and religion. I challenge you to quote anything where Islam orders violence. You are just being an arrogant and disrespectful, and being un Christian
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 19:05:59 GMT -6
Islam IS extremist. The Muslim people in general are not all extremists but anyone who says that they are a Koran following Islamist Muslim, like Woodrow says he is, IS engaged in a false Christian belief full of hate and vengeance because their god is Muhammad So what are the teachings about violence in the Qua'ran? I think Islam is false, but I want to be accurate about any specific charges. If it really theaches violence then okay. But just saying it teaches violence because some Muslims are violent, I don't think is enough. It seems to me it is possible extremists are apostate Muslims. Without knowing the actual teachings from the Qua'ran I cannot say and that's all you are giving as evidence. Lear About Islam Through Pictures
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 19:07:31 GMT -6
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Post by nabilbb on Sept 26, 2013 19:09:06 GMT -6
End of story is, you can't show anything. And you can't prove anything. Educate yourself at least the manner of debate
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 26, 2013 19:19:36 GMT -6
Do you think a hate site is a good place to learn about a religion? That is like trying to learn about Christianity through people that hate Christians.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 26, 2013 19:21:36 GMT -6
Do you think a hate site is a good place to learn about a religion? That is like trying to learn about Christianity through people that hate Christians. Ugh...Islam hates Christians. What should I do...agree with Islam...duh...
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Post by nabilbb on Sept 26, 2013 19:23:43 GMT -6
You really can't understand or don't want to understand what have been said, are you?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 26, 2013 19:28:38 GMT -6
Of course I may be in the wrong thread. If I were to debate Islam it would probably start with Christ's role in God's purposes. That is the biggest difference I have seen so far. That is probably the only area we have significant differences. As for morality issues Christians and Muslims are close to being identical. We find essentially the same things to be sinful. The major and irreconciable difference we have is over the Nature of Jesus(as)
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Post by Maggie on Sept 26, 2013 19:41:12 GMT -6
Ragnar, please read our mission statement before posting. Your post is unacceptable and will be deleted along with the worst of Sky's. We have strict rules about appropriate debate.
If our mission is agreeable to you, we will be delighted to have you here. Please introduce yourself so we can get to know you.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 26, 2013 19:47:03 GMT -6
Do you think a hate site is a good place to learn about a religion? That is like trying to learn about Christianity through people that hate Christians. Ugh...Islam hates Christians. What should I do...agree with Islam...duh... A good starting point is to learn that disagreement does not require hate. If you actually want to know what Muslims believe the best way is to ask Muslims. Because you learn what muslims believe does not mean you agree. I have a reasonable amount of understanding what Christians believe, but that does not mean I will ever return to Christianity. Religious beliefs are not contagious. One should only believe that which they themselves have verified to be true.
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Post by Ragnar on Sept 26, 2013 19:47:25 GMT -6
Ragnar, please read our mission statement before posting. Your post is unacceptable and will be deleted along with the worst of Sky's. We have strict rules about appropriate debate. My apologies, normally i put a lot of effort into my arguments, and try to remain respectful, but after reading 5 pages of Sky ignoring and disrespecting Islam, Muslims and Woodrow, i honestly couldn't bring myself to offer her the same respect and effort that Woodrow does. But, he does have my utmost respect for having so much patience. Wouldn't have joined if it wasn't. I'll get right on that.
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Post by jstwebbrowsing on Sept 26, 2013 19:49:25 GMT -6
Well we are in agreement that he is not God, but I assume you do not believe he had a prehuman existence at all, which I believe he did. And then there is the ransom sacrifice which I think is the most important difference.
But it would be hard to debate this since we accept different scriptures. I could make the argument that the demands of justice is why a sacrifice was required which is what the Bible teaches. Bible justice is "eye for eye, tooth for tooth, and life for life" and that is why a sacrifice was required. What are your thoughts on that?
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