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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 7, 2013 0:47:48 GMT -6
Much to the dismay of mystery writers and conspiracy theorists, very little takes place in one. Except for Worship of the One God (swt). the God(swt) of Abraham and all the Prophets(PBUT)
Typically the obligatory prayers will take from 5 to 30 minutes. And that is about all that happens in the Mosque.
Here is the Fajr Prayer which is the shortest on of the day.
First there is the Athan (Also spelled Azan, Adhan, Adzhan) There are no English letters with the proper pronunciation. Each of those come close but don't quite make it.
Fajr Athan with English subtitles
If we had not done wudu (Fitual washing) at home we will arrive at the Mosque before the Athan and do it there
At the end of the Athan the Imam will begin the Prayer for Fajr.
It is like this. the other prayers are similar, Just differ in the number of times we prostate and how many recitations from the Qur'an are recited.
For most people that is about it as they then rush to either get to work or back to work.
You now see what happens in almost every Mosque 5 times a day.
Notice: No Sermon, no preaching, no collection basket.
Typically there will be a short sermon about 15 minutes before the Friday Jummah prayer. that usually relates to local matters and concerns and how we need to act peacefully in handling all adversity or problems. Next, There will almost always be a strong condemnation of violence and a reminder that all suicide bombers will go to hell as suicide is forbidden. Then the athan and the prayer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 5:46:44 GMT -6
Don't they also have a meal at some point? My son and his wife are friends with some Muslims and they visited one and had a meal. I think he said they do that once a week or something.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 7, 2013 8:23:23 GMT -6
Don't they also have a meal at some point? My son and his wife are friends with some Muslims and they visited one and had a meal. I think he said they do that once a week or something. That is more of a Traditional local culture thing. Fairly common that after Jummah Prayers on Friday they have a pot-luck meal. Families will bring covered dishes to share. It is not part of any service or the like. Just a get-together. We used to do that at the North Austin Islamic Center in Austin, Texas. The Mosque grounds had a large picnic area and a covered Pavilion and after Jummah some would have a dinner there. Also one of the early members of the Mosque committee owned a restaurant near the Mosque and on Fridays he would open the Banquet room for a free Buffet. after the Jummah prayer. It is also customary during Ramadan for people to invite people in the Mosque to go to their house after the Maghreb Prayer and break the fast with them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 9:18:04 GMT -6
They met them at school, a married couple. They are from Bangladesh. My son was a success coach at the college he attended. He had noticed that the foreign students went without many of the things that the American students had because of the language barrior. Anyway they invited him to a potluck. I guess that is what the women do (prepare the food) while the men pray.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 7, 2013 10:06:56 GMT -6
They met them at school, a married couple. They are from Bangladesh. My son was a success coach at the college he attended. He had noticed that the foreign students went without many of the things that the American students had because of the language barrior. Anyway they invited him to a potluck. I guess that is what the women do (prepare the food) while the men pray. The food is usually prepared at home. In a Mosque the men and woman do not pray together. Either the room is divided or there are separate prayer rooms. The women would not be preparing food during prayer time. Even at home they would stop whatever they are doing to pray. Woman are not obligated to attend a Mosque, but they are still obligated to say the 5 daily obligatory prayers. Actually it is quite common for both men and woman to say the prayers away from the Mosque. often they are not near a Mosque at prayer time so most people pray where they happen to be. In an Islamic Nation where everything closes and traffic stops during prayer time, you will usually see people praying in the street or on the sidewalk instead of in a Mosque. Many of us carry a small plastic prayer rug in our pockets. However anything can be used such as a newspaper etc. The Rup is only to keep us from getting dirty when we Kneel and prostate. This is the type of prayer rug I carry when traveling. Product View : ii682 Lightweight Travel Prayer Rug Lightweight full-size travel prayer rug. Very convenient for travel or vacations. This lightweight rug folds up into its own pouch, and has a zipper to keep the rug clean and free of dirt. Printed velvet with pattern as shown. Includes attached compass with qibla direction booklet. Imported. Polyester.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 11:27:32 GMT -6
I will ask my son about the details again. I think yes the women only set out the food. At what point in the service I don't recall. The person my son knows is a sort of Imam. The area they were in doesn't have an official Mosque. They met in some sort of community center. The couple has since gone back to Bangladesh but will probably be returning for the fall semester. My son and his wife are storing their belongings for the time being.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 7, 2013 12:21:26 GMT -6
I will ask my son about the details again. I think yes the women only set out the food. At what point in the service I don't recall. The person my son knows is a sort of Imam. The area they were in doesn't have an official Mosque. They met in some sort of community center. The couple has since gone back to Bangladesh but will probably be returning for the fall semester. My son and his wife are storing their belongings for the time being. Any clean room can be used as a Mosque. Many Mosques are simply a spare room in someones house. It is quite difficult to say what is an "Official Mosque" as we do not have any ordained clergy. I have served as an Imam numerous times simply because I was the oldest person in the area. There is nothing done during the prayer time except praying. What you see in the video is the entire "service" for the Fajr Prayer (Morning prayer, first prayer of the day.)the shortest prayer of the day. Typically one or two things will happen for a Mosque to be formed. Local Muslims will form a committee and raise money to build a Mosque. that is the most common way a Mosque gets built. The next most common will be someone builds a Mosque on their own and is the Imam for it. That happens quite often in the undeveloped nations and in some rural areas of the US. It can be expensive to be an Imam, few people choose to be one unless they can afford to pay the Mosque expenses such as utility bills etc. On rare occasion the Royal Family in Saudi will offer to pay for a Mosque. Here in the US most of us turn down such offers as we do not want to give any impression we are "Run by Saudi Arabia" Most Mosques are built by the local community and supported by the Imam, although sometimes people in the community will help the Imam with the bills and there are some Mosques that actually hire a paid full time Imam. But it is still common for the Imam to be unpaid and being the one who pays the expenses of the Mosque.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2013 21:39:58 GMT -6
I might as well get this out in the open now. When my son informed me that he was going to go to a Mosque I was alarmed at the prospect of him and his wife engaging in such a spiritual warfare. I especially didn't want his wife to be subjected to such a thing. I cautioned him that he and his wife are Christians and that if he chose to go to a Mosque that he should consider what he is bringing to his family and especially his wife. A house of prayer is not something to be taken lightly. This is of course the Whole Christian teaching on what a house of prayer is to a Christian. Not sure if the Islamic faith even considers Jesus' words in the Scriptures of the New Testament.
Matthew 21:13 "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it 'a den of robbers.'"
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 8, 2013 6:31:50 GMT -6
I might as well get this out in the open now. When my son informed me that he was going to go to a Mosque I was alarmed at the prospect of him and his wife engaging in such a spiritual warfare. I especially didn't want his wife to be subjected to such a thing. I cautioned him that he and his wife are Christians and that if he chose to go to a Mosque that he should consider what he is bringing to his family and especially his wife. A house of prayer is not something to be taken lightly. This is of course the Whole Christian teaching on what a house of prayer is to a Christian. Not sure if the Islamic faith even considers Jesus' words in the Scriptures of the New Testament. Matthew 21:13 "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it 'a den of robbers.'" You are correct we do not consider the NT to be scripture and believe it is the teachings of Paul and not the teachings of Jesus(as) We do believe the early followers of Jesus(as) did follow the word of God(swt) but got misled by Paul and the Early Greco-Roman concept of Christianity. We do not believe the NT contains the teachings of Jesus(as) or the word of God(swt) As far as visitors going into a Mosque, there should be no real concern as it is basically and empty room. Unless a person understands Arabic the prayer will have no meaning to them. But I can understand your concern. Many Muslims feel the same way about entering a Church. About the only Muslims I know of that have no qualms entering a Church are those of us who are former Christians. However I do know of a few areas in which Muslims and Christians share the same building. Also last year a Mosque allowed a Nearby chuch use the Mosque for Easter service as the chuch had construction going on. I am also aware of some US churches that Allowed Muslims to use the Church until they could build a Mosque.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2013 13:36:11 GMT -6
I might as well get this out in the open now. When my son informed me that he was going to go to a Mosque I was alarmed at the prospect of him and his wife engaging in such a spiritual warfare. I especially didn't want his wife to be subjected to such a thing. I cautioned him that he and his wife are Christians and that if he chose to go to a Mosque that he should consider what he is bringing to his family and especially his wife. A house of prayer is not something to be taken lightly. This is of course the Whole Christian teaching on what a house of prayer is to a Christian. Not sure if the Islamic faith even considers Jesus' words in the Scriptures of the New Testament. Matthew 21:13 "It is written," he said to them, "'My house will be called a house of prayer,' but you are making it 'a den of robbers.'" You are correct we do not consider the NT to be scripture and believe it is the teachings of Paul and not the teachings of Jesus(as) We do believe the early followers of Jesus(as) did follow the word of God(swt) but got misled by Paul and the Early Greco-Roman concept of Christianity. We do not believe the NT contains the teachings of Jesus(as) or the word of God(swt) As far as visitors going into a Mosque, there should be no real concern as it is basically and empty room. Unless a person understands Arabic the prayer will have no meaning to them. But I can understand your concern. Many Muslims feel the same way about entering a Church. About the only Muslims I know of that have no qualms entering a Church are those of us who are former Christians. However I do know of a few areas in which Muslims and Christians share the same building. Also last year a Mosque allowed a Nearby chuch use the Mosque for Easter service as the chuch had construction going on. I am also aware of some US churches that Allowed Muslims to use the Church until they could build a Mosque. Ecclesiastical Babylon. The Church started falling away very early in Christian history and Jesus predicted as much when He prophised about the destruction of the Jewish temple. Matthew 24:1-3 24 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.”
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 8, 2013 22:36:38 GMT -6
You are correct we do not consider the NT to be scripture and believe it is the teachings of Paul and not the teachings of Jesus(as) We do believe the early followers of Jesus(as) did follow the word of God(swt) but got misled by Paul and the Early Greco-Roman concept of Christianity. We do not believe the NT contains the teachings of Jesus(as) or the word of God(swt) As far as visitors going into a Mosque, there should be no real concern as it is basically and empty room. Unless a person understands Arabic the prayer will have no meaning to them. But I can understand your concern. Many Muslims feel the same way about entering a Church. About the only Muslims I know of that have no qualms entering a Church are those of us who are former Christians. However I do know of a few areas in which Muslims and Christians share the same building. Also last year a Mosque allowed a Nearby chuch use the Mosque for Easter service as the chuch had construction going on. I am also aware of some US churches that Allowed Muslims to use the Church until they could build a Mosque. Ecclesiastical Babylon. The Church started falling away very early in Christian history and Jesus predicted as much when He prophised about the destruction of the Jewish temple. Matthew 24:1-3 24 Jesus left the temple and was going away, when his disciples came to point out to him the buildings of the temple. 2 But he answered them, “You see all these, do you not? Truly, I say to you, there will not be left here one stone upon another that will not be thrown down.” Most of us do not consider the Mosque building to be essential as many Muslims do not live near a Mosque. There is no altar in a Mosque except for the one in Mecca. W e all face towards that altar for our obligatory prayers. Our personal prayers we pray in what ever direction we happen to be facing and where ever we may be. I think most of us pray more often out in the open than we do in a Mosque. I just recalled that in Most of the world you will find most Muslims praying in Parks or streets than in the Mosques. We have no specific criteria we have to prasy in a Mosque, however we are to try to pray with members of our local community at least once a week. That need not be in a Mosque, in can be out in an open field or in someones house. Every Mosque on earth could be destroyed and it would not be cause for any Muslim to miss a single prayer. A Mosque need not be a building. It can be any clean area. there are areas without any Mosques, it is not essential for us to have a Building. Even an open field can be a Mosque
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2013 6:26:56 GMT -6
Define "clean" . You keep saying that but what is clean as far as a Muslim prayer area goes?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 9, 2013 7:40:14 GMT -6
Define "clean" . You keep saying that but what is clean as far as a Muslim prayer area goes? General household cleanliness. If outdoors hard dry dirt with no animal waste to step on. The level of cleanliness a reasonable person would allow their children to play on. Same if in a house. A room you can walk barefooted in without getting your feet dirty.
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