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Post by Woodrow LI on Aug 31, 2013 16:28:07 GMT -6
To begin with Muslims are discourged from doing either. The reason being because we consider it a grave sin to make any error regarding the Qur'an. However, we do have the opinions of Scholars that have studied the Qur'an extensvilly during their life times. These are Called Tafsir.
I am assuming the typical reader of this thread will not be fluent in Arabic so mostl English will be used. When Arabic is used I will give a translation.
This thread will be a study of Tafsir and other commentaries. To Keep things in order and keep us on the same surah I am going to begin with a thorough discussion on al-Fatihah and then continue with Juz 30 and work backwards from 30-1.
First a few explanations --The Qur'an is divided into 30 Juz. Each one taking about an hour to recite if recited in Arabic with the proper Tajweed.
Please use this for any questions and suggestions. Keep them related to any Surat that has already been discussed.
Quick vocabulary
Juz--One of the 30 divisions the Qur'an is divided into
Ajza--The plural of Juz
Surah-- Very close to what a Chapter or book is. The shotest surah , 108 conists of 3 short ayyat. The longest is Surah 2 which consists of 286 ayyat most being quite long. Surah 2 consists of 48 pages and takes about 2 1/2 hours to recite properly
Surat--Plural of Surah
ayyat--A division in a Surah corresponds roughly with line, but can be up to several paragraphs.
I will begin with Surah al-Fatihah in the next post
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Post by Woodrow LI on Aug 31, 2013 16:57:29 GMT -6
Surah 1 --al-Fatihah This is the first Surah in the Qur'an and a Muslim is to read and reflect upon it before reading any other parts of the Qur'an. the Surah is the Qur'an to understand this short Surah is to understand the entire message of the Qur'an. If a Muslim gets to read no other surah except this one it is as if he has read the entire Qur'an. al-Fatihah means "The opening or beginning" 1, al-Fatihah 1:1 In the name of Allah, Most Gracious, Most Merciful. 1:2 Praise be to Allah, the Cherisher and Sustainer of the worlds; 1:3 Most Gracious, Most Merciful; 1:4 Master of the Day of Judgment. 1:5 Thee do we worship, and Thine aid we seek. 1:6 Show us the straight way, 1:7 The way of those on whom Thou hast bestowed Thy Grace, those whose (portion) is not wrath, and who go not astray. The Commentary of Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi SOURCETafsir means Commentary/Interpretation From the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir SOURCE
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Post by Woodrow LI on Aug 31, 2013 18:29:51 GMT -6
Juz 30 Surah 78 translation by Yusuf Ali Commentary of Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi SOURCE
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 20:55:03 GMT -6
None of the Quran makes any sense to a Christian who goes by the Word of God the Scriptures.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 21:03:04 GMT -6
Surah 1 --al-Fatihah
From the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir translation by Yusuf Ali
Commentary of Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi
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Never heard of them. Houston?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 2, 2013 21:42:33 GMT -6
None of the Quran makes any sense to a Christian who goes by the Word of God the Scriptures. That is understandable. If it made sense to you you would be Muslim. It made little sense to me while I was a Christian. I do not expect most Christians to understand it unless they are ready to accept Islam. I did not understand it for 65 years of my life and the moment it began to make sense to me I realized I was a Muslim.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 22:06:13 GMT -6
None of the Quran makes any sense to a Christian who goes by the Word of God the Scriptures. Really? so are you of Muslim heritage or did you read the Quran and then decide you were Muslim?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 22:08:02 GMT -6
sorry about the quote malfunction. Still learning. Here is my question.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 2, 2013 22:21:45 GMT -6
Surah 1 --al-Fatihah From the Tafsir of Ibn Kathir translation by Yusuf Ali Commentary of Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi ---------------------------- Never heard of them. Houston? Abdullah Yusuf Ali was one of the first translators to translate the Qur'an unto modern English, He was born a British Citizen in Bombay India in 1872 and died in 1953 in London. He was a Scholar of English Literature and studied at Leeds University, He was Hafiz Meaning a Muslim who had memorized the Qur'an in Arabic. He was fluent in both English and Arabic although English was the Language he spoke as his first Language. Ibn Kathir was one of the earliest Muslim Scholars Born in the year 700 and died in the year 774, He spent most of his life studying the Qur'an and His commentary (Tafsir) is the one accepted as accurate by most Muslims. Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi is a bit of a controversial figure born in India in 1903, Died in the US in 1979 Buried in Lahore Pakistan. His views do differ from those of Kathir and one reason I encourage Muslims to read him, in order to see different views exist.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 2, 2013 22:42:25 GMT -6
Really? so are you of Muslim heritage or did you read the Quran and then decide you were Muslim? I was born Roman Catholic, I am of Lithuanian Heritage. At about the age of 25 I left Catholicism and became a Christian Evangelist (Assembly of God) I was pretty much anti Muslim until I reached the age of 65. I began learning Arabic when I was in the USAF as much of my flying was originally in North Africa and the Mid East. Later when I became an Evangelist I preached in the same area and learned more Arabic. I got my Arabic Qur'an in Morocco in the early 1960s and still have it. I used it as a study guide for learning Arabic. When I got it I was unaware that it is forbidden to give or sell an Arabic Qur'an to a non-Muslim unless you know he will treat it with respect. The day I accepted Islam I had not read any Arabic for over 40 yeara, Had not seen any Muslims for about the same time and was living in Tennessee Colony, Texas and did not even know if there were any Muslims in Texas. But I began reading the Qur'an and it was as if God(swt) was leading me. The words flowed smoothly in Arabic and the warmth and peace that filled me was over whelming.. I knew I was Muslim. I said the Shahadah then and there with only Allaah(swt) as my witness.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 2, 2013 23:14:15 GMT -6
Juz 30 Surah 79 Commentary of Syed Maududi SOURCE
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 23:15:35 GMT -6
So you were born Roman Catholic? That doesn't make sense. So is Lithuanian heritage Muslim? I'm asking you what heritage you come from? I am mostly American Indian and Italian.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 2, 2013 23:32:25 GMT -6
So you were born Roman Catholic? That doesn't make sense. So is Lithuanian heritage Muslim? I'm asking you what heritage you come from? I am mostly American Indian and Italian. I was born in Hartford Ct. My Grandparents on my Mothers side came from Lithuanian in 1906. Lithuania, Borders Poland and Germany. Both Poland and Lithuania have been Catholic since the 1400s My wife is Native American (Cheyenne) we live mostly on the Lakota Reservations of Standing Rock and Cheyenne River. But are trying to move to Crow Creek. We raise and train Horses.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 23:35:31 GMT -6
So you aren't of Muslim heritage. You read the Quran and now you are of the Muslim faith.
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Post by questionmark on Sept 2, 2013 23:43:25 GMT -6
Woodrow Li, Though I thoroughly hate Islam, I think your account of becoming a Muslim was well said.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 2, 2013 23:51:22 GMT -6
So you aren't of Muslim heritage. You read the Quran and now you are of the Muslim faith. Correct Actually there is no Muslim Heritage. Muslims can be found in all backgrounds. My Wife is Muslim and she is Native American. Actually we have found that quite a few in the Ojibwa tribe are Muslim. as are some of the Lakota. My wife was Muslim long before I met her. My first 2 wives are deceased the first after 25 years and the second after 17 I have been married to my 3 rd wife for 5 years now. The Majority of the world's Muslims are Asiatic and most of those are oriental. There are more Chinese Muslims than Arab Muslims. Roughly 1/2 of the world's Muslims are Malay, Indonesian and Chinese. There are also quite a few Mexican Muslims. We come in all flavors and heritages
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 23:52:06 GMT -6
Woodrow Li, Though I thoroughly hate Islam, I think your account of becoming a Muslim was well said. I don't want Woodrow to think that I have anything against him. I guess I was just trying to get to the roots and reasons for his Muslim faith.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2013 23:58:19 GMT -6
So you aren't of Muslim heritage. You read the Quran and now you are of the Muslim faith. Correct Actually there is no Muslim Heritage. Muslims can be found in all backgrounds. My Wife is Muslim and she is Native American. Actually we have found that quite a few in the Ojibwa tribe are Muslim. as are some of the Lakota. My wife was Muslim long before I met her. My first 2 wives are deceased the first after 25 years and the second after 17 I have been married to my 3 rd wife for 5 years now. The Majority of the world's Muslims are Asiatic and most of those are oriental. There are more Chinese Muslims than Arab Muslims. Roughly 1/2 of the world's Muslims are Malay, Indonesian and Chinese. There are also quite a few Mexican Muslims. We come in all flavors and heritages Really? There is no Muslim heritage? I guess then I wonder what form or branch of Islam do you practice?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 0:03:51 GMT -6
The reason I asked is because if the Quran doesn't have a heritage then who wrote it?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 3, 2013 0:20:58 GMT -6
The reason I asked is because if the Quran doesn't have a heritage then who wrote it? No one wrote it. It was revealed orally by God(swt) to Muhammad through the Angel Gabriel. Although it is written in every language only the Arabic is considered the true Qur'an and then actually the spoken Qur'an spoken with proper Tajweed is the Qur'an. We do not believe the Qur'an is an original revelation. We believe it is the same revelation that was given to all of the Prophets. It was and is the actual words of God(swt) given to all of mankind through all of the Prophets. First to Adam and for the last time to Muhammad. It has no heritage except for being for all people. The Qur'an is written in Arabic but the smallest percentage of Muslims are Arab. Less that 10% of the World's Muslims are Arab. Like nearly 90% of all Muslims I am Sunni and like most Sunni I follow the Hanafi Madhab.
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