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jstwebbrowsing Administrator Posts: 282	Prophets Aug 30, 2013 16:59:15 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jstwebbrowsing on Aug 30, 2013 16:59:15 GMT -6 Who exactly do Muslims believe are prophets? Also why do they seem to elevate Muhammed above the rest?

jstwebbrowsing Administrator Posts: 282	Prophets Aug 30, 2013 17:01:32 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jstwebbrowsing on Aug 30, 2013 17:01:32 GMT -6 Also are the psalms you accept the same psalms that are in the Hebrew Scriptures? And are they considered accurate in modern day?

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Prophets Aug 30, 2013 17:50:58 GMT -6

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We believe all the Prophets are equal. Muhammad(saws) is the final Prophet. He is called the "Seal of the Prophets" as there will be no more Prophets. Although Prophet Jesus(as) will return.

We believe Prophets(PBUT) are those who brought the word of God(swt) to the people of all times and places. We do not know how many Prophets there have been but some scholars calculate there had to have been at least 134,000 The ones we know the names of are named in the Bible plus 3 the Jews do not view as prophets those 3 being John the Baptist, Jesus and Muhammad (Peace be upon all of then) and Adam(PBUH) who some Christians do not view as a Prophet.

Essentually the Prophets(PBUT) brought the same basic ideas of Islam which is the submission to God, his words and his orders. They brought the belief in a single God and the avoidance of idolatry and sin. Each came to preach Islam and told of the coming of the final law-bearing prophet and messenger of God: Muhammad . Each prophet directed a message to a different group and each prophet taught minor variations in sharia (or the practice of religion) to a different target audience. These variations constitute applications of Islam: mainstream Muslims do not consider them discrete versions of Islam.

In Addition 5 Prophets are called Rasuls (Messengers) for their strong commitment and high level of perseverance. Those 5 being;

Nuh (Noah)
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Musa (Moses)
Isa (Jesus)
Muhammad

We do not place Muhammad(saws) as being greater than the other Prophets(PBUT) but we do believe the Qur'an is the only existing revelation that contains the actual words of God(swt) as they were revealed. The other books are not what the original oral revelation was, which is the reason the Qur'an was sent as a final chance to get it right.

Some of my words come from HERE

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Prophets Aug 30, 2013 18:07:24 GMT -6

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Aug 30, 2013 17:01:32 GMT -6 jstwebbrowsing said:

Also are the psalms you accept the same psalms that are in the Hebrew Scriptures? And are they considered accurate in modern day?

Neither we nor anyone else has the actual Book of Psalms. What exists in the OT and the Talmud. is probably not the actual words that were revealed. We do believe they may contain errors. Some of us do read it in the Bible but stay aware it may have errors or be incomplete or both. What we read that does not contradict the message in the Qur'an we accept as probably having been part of the original revelation.

However there is no need for any Muslim to read the "Book of Psalms" as we believe the Qur'an contains the same message Psalms originally had.

For a long time many people believed that Moses wrote the five books called Torah in the Bible. But now it is widely known that Moses could not have written those books in their entirety. One evidence for this is that Chapter 34 of the book of Deuteronomy describes the death and burial of Moses, and how the people mourned for him after his death. Obviously, Moses did not write that passage. Biblical scholars also acknowledge that the present composition of the Psalms cannot in its entirety be traced back to David.

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jstwebbrowsing Administrator Posts: 282	Prophets Aug 31, 2013 13:57:00 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jstwebbrowsing on Aug 31, 2013 13:57:00 GMT -6 Can you give me an example of where the Bible and the Qur'an conflict other than the sacrifice of Christ?
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Aug 31, 2013 13:57:00 GMT -6 jstwebbrowsing said:

Can you give me an example of where the Bible and the Qur'an conflict other than the sacrifice of Christ?

In terms of General beliefs that is the only area in which I feel the Bible and Qur'an differ.

In terms of specifics there are differences form the Qur'an in both the NT and OT

Some examples will be such as which son was Abraham offering for Sacrifice

But the main differences are over the crucifixion and death of Jesus(as). We do not believe either happened. We do believe somebody was crucified and killed, but we do not believe it was Jesus(as)

We believed Jesus(as) was saved by Allaah(swt) and lifted up to heaven were he waits until his return to complete his life.

jstwebbrowsing Administrator Posts: 282	Prophets Sept 13, 2013 10:50:04 GMT -6 Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by jstwebbrowsing on Sept 13, 2013 10:50:04 GMT -6 So what makes a Muslim believe the Qur'an is true? What is the evidence of it's inspiration?

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Sept 13, 2013 10:50:04 GMT -6 jstwebbrowsing said:

So what makes a Muslim believe the Qur'an is true? What is the evidence of it's inspiration?

We do not believe it was an inspired work. We believe it is the actual words God(swt) gave to the angel Gabriel and delivered verbatim to Muhammad. One of the main reasons we believe the Qur'an is not the work of any human is it's unique structure It is written in a form never seen before and has never been duplicated.

One of the least of the wonders of the Qur'an are the numerical mysteries. Not all that important but quite impressive when one thinks about them and realizes Arabic was in it's infancy, Muhammad(saws) was uneducated and illiterate.

This is a bit lengthy but it says it better than I can

More coincidences?

Another miracle concerns incidents when the number of times one word or phrase is mentioned is equal to that of another phrase related to it. For example:

• The number of times the word “Man” is mentioned: 24 times. The number of times the word “Woman” is mentioned: 24 times.

• “Dunia” (one of the Arabic words for ‘life’) is mentioned 115 times, and “Aakhira” (an Arabic word for ‘after life’) is also mentioned 115 times.

• “Malaika” (the Arabic word for angel) is mentioned 88 times, and “Shaytan” (Satan) is mentioned 88 times.

• “Life” is mentioned 145 times. “Death” is mentioned 145 times.

• “People”: 50 times. “Messengers”: 50 times.

• “Corrupt”: 50 times. “Benefit”: 50 times.

• “Iblees” (king of devils): 11 times. “Seek refuge from Iblees”: 11 times.

• “Museebah” (calamity): 75 times. “Thanks”: 75 times.

• “Sadaqah” (spending): 73 times. “Satisfaction”: 73 times.

• “People who are mislead”: 17 times. “Dead people”: 17 times.

• “Gold”: 8 times. “Easy life”: 8 times.

• “Zakat” (taxes Muslims pay for the poor): 32 times. “Barakah” (blessings of one’s wealth): 32 times.

• “Mind”: 49 times. “Noor” (light): 49 times.

• “Tongue”: 25 times. “Sermon”: 25 times.

• “Desire”: 8 times. “Fear”: 8 times.

• “Hardship”: 114 times. “Patience”: 114 times.

• “Muhammad”: 4 times. “Sharee’ah” (Muhammad’s teachings): 4 times.

If this is not enough, now please look at the number of times the following words occur:

• ‘Month’: 12 times

• ‘Day’: 365 times!

• ‘Sea’: 32 times. ‘Land’: 13 times. ‘Sea’ + ‘Land’ = 32 + 13 = 45.
% of Sea = 32 / 45 (x100%) = 71.11111111 %
% of Land = 13 / 45 (x100) = 28.88888889 %
Modern science has only recently discovered that the above figures represent the exact proportions of Sea and Land on Earth!

Finally, I ask that if you have any doubt as to the accuracy of these numbers, by all means, please check them for yourself.

Can all this have been a coincidence? Could it be sheer luck? Could it be that Muhammad (peace be upon him) was such a mathematical genius that he wrote a book that combined a complete way of life along with a mathematically embedded masterpiece that included scientific truths and references to phrases that matched their equivalents or opposites? Any sound individual will tell you that he could never have done this, because he himself was an illiterate man who couldn’t read or write!

“We have, without doubt sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (9)” (Chapter 15, Verse 9)

“(This is) a Book, the Verses whereof are perfected (in every sphere of knowledge), and then explained in detail from One (Allâh), Who is All-Wise Well-Acquainted (with all things).” (Chapter 11, Verse 1)

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Just one of the reasons I do not believe the Qur'an is the work of any Human.

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