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Post by Woodrow LI on Aug 25, 2013 18:38:18 GMT -6
A madhab is the school of Islamic Jurisprudence a Muslim follows. Also called Shariah, but not what the media portrays as Shariah. For the Sunni there are currently four recognized Madhabs--Each named after the founder. They are Hanafi. Hanbali, Maliki and Shafi'i A Muslim is to study all 4 and try to live in accordance with one. We are free to select which one but can not mix them, we can not select what we like from each one and go by that. We select just one and try to follow that one fully., not parts from one and parts from another. While we are encouraged to follow a Madhab, not all do. But typically we will select a Madhab that is followed in the area we live in. When following a madhab we can not violate any laws of the land we live in. A Muslim is obligated to follow local laws and if he can not he is to move out. A madhab is quite complex and like any set of law is made up of several (actually a lot) of books and established rulings. They cover such things as rulings for inheritence, Marriage, adoption (forbidden in all 4 madhabs) prayer times, contracts, borrowing money, Define Criminal offenses and the maximum punishments permitted for criminal offenses. I follow the Hanafi Madhab for several reasons such as because it is very flexible and progressive. Secondly it specifically emphasis that in all judgments, civil or criminal all effort should be made to forgive and in criminal issues the courts are required to find a reason to follow the minimum punishment possible. Here in the USA the Criminal cases are a moot point as we are obligated to follow local law. For a little introduction about a Madhab here is a short description of the Hanafi Madhab the other 3 are similar but not as flexible or progressive. INTRODUCTION TO HANAFIThe link will also give another link to a bit more inormation |
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Post by jstwebbrowsing on Aug 26, 2013 13:39:53 GMT -6
So there are like four denominations of Islam?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Aug 26, 2013 16:26:51 GMT -6
So there are like four denominations of Islam? No a madhab is basically related to community matters and not to worship. All Suuni worship identically, but we do live different life styles. There are also other sets of laws, that the followers of consider fo be Madhabs, they are the most noticed but are disapproved of by nearly all Sunni. About 90% of all Sunni will follow one of the 4 Madhabs or at least live within rough guidelines of one of the 4 Madhabs. However there are some radicals that follow such things as Wahabbiism or it's more extreme form Salafi'ism Those are what the Western world call Shariah |
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Post by yusufnoor on Sept 18, 2013 12:44:05 GMT -6
As Salaamu Alaykum Uncle, i guess i'm a 10%er!  there are not supposed to be any divisions in Islam. the madhab that we are supposed to follow is that of Rasulullah, pbuh, and the 4 Rightly Guided Kaliphas, RA. that being said. i follow the mudhab of Iman Shaafi'i, EXCEPT where it's rulings differ from that of the Prophet, pbuh, Abu Bakr, Umr, Uthmann and Ali (RA). being an English speaking revert, i get my fiqh from Dr Abu Aminah Bilal Philips. the position is that you should follow the Mudhab that you are closest to, BUT, you have an obligation to study the Din. where your Mudhab is incorrect, you must not follow it. (which is different from so-called Salafis who create division as part of their mudhab.) my favorite Mufti is Mufti Menk of Zimbabwe. he teaches the Shaffi'i Mudhab, BUT, his family is from Asia, and thus he is Hanifi. when he lectures in Asia, he talks Hanifi. and where-ever he runs into "difference", says, "look, there are MANY things we can all agree on. let's do those!" my other favorite lecturer is either Hanifi or Hanbali. it doesn't matter, he speaks about Islam!  ma salaama |
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Post by nabilbb on Sept 18, 2013 14:21:09 GMT -6
I don't really have any madhab, I follow what it seems closer to the way of the Prophet. and it falls under one of the madhabs. Basically the 4 schools of thought differ in the way of doing things, they don't differ in creed.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 18, 2013 15:02:56 GMT -6
As Salaamu Alaykum Uncle, i guess i'm a 10%er! there are not supposed to be any divisions in Islam. the madhab that we are supposed to follow is that of Rasulullah, pbuh, and the 4 Rightly Guided Kaliphas, RA. that being said. i follow the mudhab of Iman Shaafi'i, EXCEPT where it's rulings differ from that of the Prophet, pbuh, Abu Bakr, Umr, Uthmann and Ali (RA). being an English speaking revert, i get my fiqh from Dr Abu Aminah Bilal Philips. the position is that you should follow the Mudhab that you are closest to, BUT, you have an obligation to study the Din. where your Mudhab is incorrect, you must not follow it. (which is different from so-called Salafis who create division as part of their mudhab.) my favorite Mufti is Mufti Menk of Zimbabwe. he teaches the Shaffi'i Mudhab, BUT, his family is from Asia, and thus he is Hanifi. when he lectures in Asia, he talks Hanifi. and where-ever he runs into "difference", says, "look, there are MANY things we can all agree on. let's do those!" my other favorite lecturer is either Hanifi or Hanbali. it doesn't matter, he speaks about Islam! ma salaama wa Alaikum Nephew. As you are partually following one of the 4 legitimate Madhab, I consider you as being among the 90%. Few people will ever be able to follow a Madhab fully.. Dr Philips is an excellent person to follow as a mentor. I have not found anything in any of the 4 Madhabs to be unIslamic. But that is my opinion astagfirullah. I do agree with you if you find something asking you to do anything you believe is not Islamic. Do not do it. Demand proof to show it is fiqh and only then follow it, EXCEPT where it's rulings differ from that of the Prophet, pbuh, Abu Bakr, Umr, Uthmann and Ali (RA). Most people will end up following the Madhab of the community they live in. I think it is us reverts that are more aware of Madhabs. Perhaps we make the choosing of one more complex than it should be. All we really should be concerned with is if the way we are living our De'en is increasing or lowering our Eeman. ma Salaama |
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 18, 2013 15:20:00 GMT -6
I don't really have any madhab, I follow what it seems closer to the way of the Prophet. and it falls under one of the madhabs. Basically the 4 schools of thought differ in the way of doing things, they don't differ in creed. That is a very good explanation. |
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Post by yusufnoor on Sept 24, 2013 23:04:31 GMT -6
As Salaamu Alaykum Uncle, i guess i'm a 10%er! there are not supposed to be any divisions in Islam. the madhab that we are supposed to follow is that of Rasulullah, pbuh, and the 4 Rightly Guided Kaliphas, RA. that being said. i follow the mudhab of Iman Shaafi'i, EXCEPT where it's rulings differ from that of the Prophet, pbuh, Abu Bakr, Umr, Uthmann and Ali (RA). being an English speaking revert, i get my fiqh from Dr Abu Aminah Bilal Philips. the position is that you should follow the Mudhab that you are closest to, BUT, you have an obligation to study the Din. where your Mudhab is incorrect, you must not follow it. (which is different from so-called Salafis who create division as part of their mudhab.) my favorite Mufti is Mufti Menk of Zimbabwe. he teaches the Shaffi'i Mudhab, BUT, his family is from Asia, and thus he is Hanifi. when he lectures in Asia, he talks Hanifi. and where-ever he runs into "difference", says, "look, there are MANY things we can all agree on. let's do those!" my other favorite lecturer is either Hanifi or Hanbali. it doesn't matter, he speaks about Islam! ma salaama wa Alaikum Nephew. As you are partually following one of the 4 legitimate Madhab, I consider you as being among the 90%. Few people will ever be able to follow a Madhab fully.. Dr Philips is an excellent person to follow as a mentor. I have not found anything in any of the 4 Madhabs to be unIslamic. But that is my opinion astagfirullah. I do agree with you if you find something asking you to do anything you believe is not Islamic. Do not do it. Demand proof to show it is fiqh and only then follow it, EXCEPT where it's rulings differ from that of the Prophet, pbuh, Abu Bakr, Umr, Uthmann and Ali (RA). Most people will end up following the Madhab of the community they live in. I think it is us reverts that are more aware of Madhabs. Perhaps we make the choosing of one more complex than it should be. All we really should be concerned with is if the way we are living our De'en is increasing or lowering our Eeman. ma Salaama as Salamu Alaykum Uncle, i didn't want to give the impression that we find "unIslamic" things in the Madhabs. NOT if you go back to each scholar. bi'ddah is obviously bi'ddah (and some stuff has crept in), but amongst the Illustrious Scholars, there are possibility that 1 might have access to an authentic Hadith that another might not. All the scholars repeatedly said to to go with an authentic hadith over something that they said. ma Salaama |
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Post by Woodrow LI on Oct 1, 2013 23:49:00 GMT -6
wa Alaikum Nephew. As you are partually following one of the 4 legitimate Madhab, I consider you as being among the 90%. Few people will ever be able to follow a Madhab fully.. Dr Philips is an excellent person to follow as a mentor. I have not found anything in any of the 4 Madhabs to be unIslamic. But that is my opinion astagfirullah. I do agree with you if you find something asking you to do anything you believe is not Islamic. Do not do it. Demand proof to show it is fiqh and only then follow it, EXCEPT where it's rulings differ from that of the Prophet, pbuh, Abu Bakr, Umr, Uthmann and Ali (RA). Most people will end up following the Madhab of the community they live in. I think it is us reverts that are more aware of Madhabs. Perhaps we make the choosing of one more complex than it should be. All we really should be concerned with is if the way we are living our De'en is increasing or lowering our Eeman. ma Salaama as Salamu Alaykum Uncle, i didn't want to give the impression that we find "unIslamic" things in the Madhabs. NOT if you go back to each scholar. bi'ddah is obviously bi'ddah (and some stuff has crept in), but amongst the Illustrious Scholars, there are possibility that 1 might have access to an authentic Hadith that another might not. All the scholars repeatedly said to to go with an authentic hadith over something that they said. ma Salaama wa Alaikum Salaam Nephew, Yes Bi'ddan can and does creep into Madhabs. We always carry the personal responsibility to verify that what we do does not conflict with the Qur'an. Except for the Qur'an all things we have are subject to corruption. But. we need not become fearful as we do have the ability to always ask for verification. We are obligated to Read, Read, Read. We can first check out what we are told is part of our Madhab and if we still have doubts we can recheck to be certain the Hadith does not conflict with the Qur'an. It all comes down to self responsibility. |
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Post by littleboat on Oct 8, 2013 6:23:09 GMT -6
Which of the Madhabs do Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Algeria and Sudan primarily follow? Is there any relationship between a particular Madhab and the nature of sharia law that finds expression in each of these countries?Is there a discernible link between a particular Madhab and the practices of amputation, pre-pubescent marriage, stonings, floggings, repression of female intellectual development and employment opportunities, and severe punishments of those wishing to leave Islam?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Oct 8, 2013 13:15:06 GMT -6
Which of the Madhabs do Iran, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia, Algeria and Sudan primarily follow? Is there any relationship between a particular Madhab and the nature of sharia law that finds expression in each of these countries?Is there a discernible link between a particular Madhab and the practices of amputation, pre-pubescent marriage, stonings, floggings, repression of female intellectual development and employment opportunities, and severe punishments of those wishing to leave Islam? True Sharia will be in compliance with the following of one of the Madhabs. A Madhab is Islamic Jurisprudence. Not what is portrayed as Sharia. The reason for 4 Madhabs is to allow compliance with local custom as long as it does not exceed what the Qur'an permits. As for the Madhab followed by different Nations. Iran is Shi'a and the Madhab they follow is Jafa'ari which is not recognized by Sunni as being a legal madhab. About 10% of Muslims are Shi'a. They do differ considerably from Sunni. Not only in practices but also in beliefs. Saudi Arabia follows a moddified form of the Hanbali Madhab it is greatly influenced by Wahhabi'ism which is not a recognized Madhab and considered to be Heresy by many Muslims. Pakistan claims to be following the Hanafi Madhab, but it is influenced by Wahhabi'ism. Algeria follows the Maliki Madhab and Sudan follows the Shafi Madhab. Again they are greatly influenced by Wahhabi'ism. However there is no nation under true Sharia or any that actually follows any Madhab fully. Many things attributed to sharia are not sharia, Under sharia leaving Islam is not a crime. No one has ever been punished for leaving Islam in a true sharia court. Marriage is quite complex. Quite a bit different from a Christian Marriage. It is a complex legal contract that has to be written and approved by both the Bride and Groom. No one can be forced into marriage. In no case is it permissible to have sexual relations with a prepubescent girl. while there is no age requirements for marriage it is essential it is with the free choice of both parties. However, there is what is often called Marriage between children. It is basically a paper marriage done in Pakistan and a few other countries, as a show of unity between 2 families. As the Marriage is never consummated either person is free to consider it null and is free to Marry who ever they wish. Yes, some Pakistanis do consider it a valid marriage, but Islamically it is not. As far as repression of education for females that is forbidden in Islam. Quite the opposite. all Muslim families are obligated to see that their children (including girls) get the best education available. There are oppressive governments that simply do not want women to ever read the Qur'an and learn of their rights. In the Fatwa of the Day section I did post a Fatwa about the obligation to educate women. Also women are to be permitted to work if she desires, however she is under no obligation to work and can not be forced to. It is forbidden for any family member to use any of her money for household expenses. No matter how much money a woman earns it is to be her personal money and no one can take it from her. She has no obligation to spend any of it on any other person. The Husband has full responsibility to provide for all family needs. As for those "primitive" punishments. Under some conditions they are permitted, but not obligated.. The conditions under which they are permitted are quite strict and it is rare that the conditions can be met to justify them. Nearly all Islamic Nations now use modern punishments. Most of the 49 Islamic Nations have never used the Death penalty or any other physical punishment,incarceration and fines are the punishments used in most Islamic nations. |
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Post by littleboat on Oct 10, 2013 14:08:08 GMT -6
Hi Woodrow,
I appreciate the trouble you took to reply so comprehensively, and I apologise for the delayed response. I have many things to ask, so to avoid intellectual indigestion I shall break my questions into short bursts.
Above, you refer to 'True Sharia', and contrast it with 'Not what is portrayed as Sharia', without qualifying or developing either category. So, what constitutes 'true Sharia'; and, perhaps of equal importance, who does the constituting? Also, what is portrayed as Sharia that is not Sharia, and who is doing the portrayal?
Thanks,
LB
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Post by Woodrow LI on Oct 10, 2013 20:08:50 GMT -6
Hi Woodrow, I appreciate the trouble you took to reply so comprehensively, and I apologise for the delayed response. I have many things to ask, so to avoid intellectual indigestion I shall break my questions into short bursts. Above, you refer to 'True Sharia', and contrast it with 'Not what is portrayed as Sharia', without qualifying or developing either category. So, what constitutes 'true Sharia'; and, perhaps of equal importance, who does the constituting? Also, what is portrayed as Sharia that is not Sharia, and who is doing the portrayal? Thanks, LB True Sharia is any one of the 4 Madhabs. What often gets called Sharia is Wahhabi'ism or National culture or Iranian Jafa'ari or even mob rule. Islamic Jurisprudence (Sharia) is quite well developed and not much different from the legal system found in the USA, The Haddud Crimes under the Criminal codes of the 4 Madhabs are also crimes in the USA to some level. The one exception being the complete prohibition of alcohol, but most states have laws prohibiting public intoxication and many counties forbid the sale of alcohol. The main differences are in the civil laws especially those regarding Marriage, Adoption, Charging interest, and inheritance. |
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