Concerning Jesus

Gill tried drawing me into a trap over at IGI using the Koran, but this made me curious. And that would actually be my take on it, that it is denying the trinity, but I somehow think it runs a little deeper than that. I am not a trinitarian but I somehow think I still view Jesus as higher in station than a Muslim. While I don't think he is God's equal, I also don't think he has any equals other than God himself. I have the impression about Islam that they view him no different than any other prophet.

So I thought I would ask a Muslim.

True

Isa(as) "Jesus" is one of the best loved Prophets(PBUT). We believe virtually the same about him as the Christian believe, except we do not believe he died on the Cross nor is he part of a Trinity.

We do believe in the Virgin Birth and the many miracles. We do believe he preached the Truth.

Peace Francis,

All Prophets are equal. However each has unique qualities that relate only to them.

While there were many Prophets sent to all of Mankind we only Know the names of those revealed in the Torah, Bible and Qu'ran. Of all the Prophet's sent the 2 we seem to know the most about are Jesus(as) and Muhammad(saws)

As for the Bible being corrupted, it isn't so much it was corrupted but rather the way people followed it that became corrupted. Some interpretations have also changed, especially the Books in the Torah and Pslams.

As for the Word's of Jesus(as) very few were preserved, Even the ones that were we are not certain which are exact as they do vary from Gospel to Gospel.

While the Qur'an does contain some historical events that occurred after the last book of the Bible was written the actual Message was the same for every Prophet(PBUT)
It only remains in ti's original form in the Qur;an and can be summed up in a few short Surat.

1. Surah Al-Fatihah

In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful

1. In the Name of Allah, the Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

2. All the praises and thanks be to Allah, the Lord of the 'Alamin.

3. The Most Beneficent, the Most Merciful.

4. The Only Owner of the Day of Recompense

5. You we worship, and You we ask for help

6. Guide us to the Straight Way

7. The Way of those on whom You have bestowed Your Grace, not of those who earned Your Anger, nor of those who went astray


109. Surah Al-Kaafiroon (The Disbelievers)

In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful

1. Say : "O Al-Kafirun

2. "I worship not that which you worship,

3. "Nor will you worship that which I worship.

4. "And I shall not worship that which you are worshipping.

5. "Nor will you worship that which I worship.

6. "To you be your religion, and to me my religion ."

112. Surah Al-Ikhlaas or At-Tauhid (The Purity)

In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful

1. Say : "He is Allah, (the) One.

2. "Allah-us-Samad (The Self-Sufficient Master, Whom all creatures need, He neither eats nor drinks).

3. "He begets not, nor was He begotten;

4. "And there is none co-equal or comparable unto Him."

114. Surah An-Naas Mankind)

In the Name of Allah, The Most Gracious, Most Merciful

1. Say: "I seek refuge with the Lord of mankind,

2. "The King of mankind,

3. "The Ilah (God) of mankind,

4. "From the evil of the whisperer who withdraws ,

5. "Who whispers in the breasts of mankind,

6. "Of jinns and men."

The Majority of Muslims will not read the Bible as it is felt the truth in the Bible is contained in the Qur'an.

Now is the Qur'an essential for worship? Only for the 5 obligatory prayers as at each Rakat we are to recite from the Qur'an. As we do not read during the Obligatory prayers we have to recite from memory a minimum of 9 lines from any Surah or one of the shorter Surah in it's entirety. this has to be done from Memory.

In a day we recite quite a bit from the Qur'an

Fajr:
i) First two rakat Sunnat Mokadda
ii) Two rakat Fard

Zuhr:
i) Four rakat Sunnat Mokadda
ii) Four rakat Fard
iii) Two rakat sunnat Mokadda
iv) Two rakat Nafl (Optional but spiritually beneficial)

Asr:
i) Four rakat sunnat ghair mokadda (Optional but spiritually beneficial)
ii) Four rakat Fard

Maghrib
i) Three rakat Fard
ii) Two rakat Sunnat Mokadda
iii) Two rakat nafl (Optional but spiritually beneficial)

Isha:
i) Four rakat sunnat e Ghair Mokadda (Optional but spiritually beneficial)
ii) Four rakat Fard
iii) Two Rakat Sunnat Mokadda
iv) Two rakat Nafil (Optional but spiritually beneficial)
v) Three rakat Wajib
vi) Two rakat Nafil (Optional but spiritually beneficial)

Have no fear my friend,

I am quite certain I know you well enough that any questions you may have are sincere and without malice.

Feel free to ask and I will answer to the best of my ability. I do respect honest question, even in areas of disagreement. Disagreement is never a reason for anger.

May I substitute for Francis until when and if he returns?

Well one thing that I really can't grasp is the belief by a Muslim that the Bible has been significantly changed. If you agree that at one time God inspired any writings before the Koran, which I think you do, then why would he allow it to become corrupt to the point that the message was completely lost, but then condemn those that do their best to follow it? How could something so important that God made be destroyed so easily?

So Muslims accept these as the authoratative?

Can you give an example of something that has been lost in translation that is of significant concern? I mean an example of an unknown that would change your worship.

And this is one I often ask Christians. The Book of Moses says God's name is YHWH. It also says that will be his name forever. It also says this name will always be a memorial to him. (Ex 3:15)

What is the Muslim view on that?