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Post by nabilbb on Oct 3, 2013 15:51:13 GMT -6
Woodrow,
I have a question about the Quran on 25:53 and 55:19-20 Allah says there is a barrier between salt and fresh water at the point where they meet and they don't mix but they actually mix
am I missing something here? how do you see it?
Salam
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Post by Woodrow LI on Oct 3, 2013 18:12:44 GMT -6
wa Alaikum Salaam,
Very good question Ahki.
I am surprised that question does not get asked more often. The Arabs were sea going people, they had seen fresh water rivers emptying into the sea and mixing with the Salt water. It does seem strange that none of the Sahabah did not question Muhammad about that. Why didn't they see that as an obvious contradiction?
First let us read the 2 ayyat in context of the 2 Surat
Surah 25
If you read the Surah you may notice it deals with Believers and Disbelievers. It points out differences between them.
Also notice it does not say the 2 waters never mix. Just that Sweet and Bitter waters are different from each other and there are barriers between them.
There is no contradiction as the fresh water lakes and ponds are separated from the seas
Surah 55 is much more difficult to explain.
The difficulty I run into here is it is clear the waters meet. But I notice carefully the word transgress, not, the word mix. The Word transgress caries with it the implication of being wrong if done, not that it is impossible. If salt and fresh waters transgress the barriers and mix you no longer have either fresh or saltwater, you end up with brackish water.
Those are my opinion and I alone hold responsibility for them if I am in error.
I will try to find some Tafsir regarding these ayyat.
ma Salaama
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Post by Maggie on Oct 3, 2013 18:17:43 GMT -6
What are jinns? Are they the "they" alluded to who cannot transgress the barrier? I assume they are each on one side of it?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Oct 3, 2013 18:43:17 GMT -6
What are jinns? Are they the "they" alluded to who cannot transgress the barrier? I assume they are each on one side of it? Jinn also spelled Djinn are an intelligent life form sort of in between human and Angel. Somewhat similar to Angels but with free will like humans. We believe they are the same things Christians call "Fallen Angels" but we do not believe they are Angels as the Angels are perfect Servants incapable of disobeying God(swt) We bellieve Jinn and Humans can be Shaytan and the Jinn Iblis is the best known Shaytan (Satan) and referred to in english as Satan. Sometimes non-Muslims confuse Jinn with the fictional Genies, although stories of Genies may be loosely based on Jinn. Both Surat address the issues of good/evil Right/wrong Believers/Disbelievers and how they are different from each othe. In 55:19-20 I think what is alluded to is good/evil and how it is a transgression to to cross the barrier from good to evil. Just my opinion. I'm trying to find online commentaries by ibn Kathir and Syed Maududi.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Oct 3, 2013 21:35:58 GMT -6
I did find this Tafsir that addresses both Surat SOURCE
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Post by nabilbb on Oct 4, 2013 10:11:24 GMT -6
Hmmm, I like your opinion and it makes a perfect sense to me
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Post by nabilbb on Oct 7, 2013 10:44:55 GMT -6
Surat AlRahman 55 is a little problematic when it comes to the verse about salt and Fresh water. Allah Used the word "Barzakh" now I am thinking about what that word mean, then I thought in Islam, the life of Barzakh is the life form we have in the graves, and it is a separation between our worldly life and life after day of judgement. Allah said there is Barzakh between salt and fresh water, I am thinking when the salt and fresh water meet, there will be some mixing in the middle forming brackish water, and that brackish water is the "Barzakh", the barrier between the 2 seas.
Separation between life and after life is another form of life "Barzakh" separation between salt and fresh water is another type of water "Brackish"
Allah knows best
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Post by Woodrow LI on Oct 7, 2013 13:08:18 GMT -6
Surat AlRahman 55 is a little problematic when it comes to the verse about salt and Fresh water. Allah Used the word "Barzakh" now I am thinking about what that word mean, then I thought in Islam, the life of Barzakh is the life form we have in the graves, and it is a separation between our worldly life and life after day of judgement. Allah said there is Barzakh between salt and fresh water, I am thinking when the salt and fresh water meet, there will be some mixing in the middle forming brackish water, and that brackish water is the "Barzakh", the barrier between the 2 seas. Separation between life and after life is another form of life "Barzakh" separation between salt and fresh water is another type of water "Brackish" Allah knows best Interesting observation. English as a language is actual a mixture of many languages. The word brackish came from the Scottish word Brack which means salty. That in turn came from the Dutch word brac which means salt. I am not certain were brac came from. It would not be from a Ramance language as the Latin for salt is sal. But is interesting as salt has long been a preservative and acted as a barrier protecting meat from Bacteria. So I can see a relationship between brac and Barzakh.
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