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Post by Woodrow LI on Aug 30, 2013 18:15:30 GMT -6
There is nothing that Jehovah cannot do, but to me that question presents a paradox similar to asking if God can create a rock so big he can't pick it up? Can God create something he cannot destroy? Both questions are a paradox. I think you answered it with the First sentence: There is nothing that Jehovah cannot do Now with that in mind if God creates anything he does have the ability to destroy it. Even if that creation is an immortal soul. I am refering back to this reply:
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Post by jstwebbrowsing on Aug 30, 2013 18:39:58 GMT -6
So then what can God do if he decides he wants to make something indestructible?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Aug 30, 2013 20:40:28 GMT -6
So then what can God do if he decides he wants to make something indestructible? Have to keep in mind that God is not part of what he creates. He is not limited by any rules of creation basically an indestructible object means it can not be destroyed by anything God(swt) created, Which is everything except God(swt) himself. To exist or not exist comes under the rules of creation. But God(swt) was not created and is not limited by the rules of what he has created. Therefore he will always have the ability to destroy everything he has created, even that which is indestructible.
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Post by questionmark on Aug 30, 2013 22:49:21 GMT -6
Death is not symbolic. You can't possibly believe that to cease to exist is a worse state than to be in eternal ongoing torment. So clearly what I'm saying is not a temptation for you to take the commands and dignity of the LORD my God lighter, not to even the slightest degree. Jesus spoke of eternal torment, so any result of the wicked has to be as fearful as eternal torment. He spoke of fire, darkness, weeping, and this for eternity. Now men even in this life commit suicide because of the torment of their souls, and in the next life they will beg even for a DROP of water. So by no means is ceasing to exist or annihilation or 'soul sleep' a worse end than what the Bible describes as the judgement for those who are not saved from that judgement.
God said to Adam "In the day that you eat of it you will surely die", yet Adam did not die until he was 930 years old. In the New Testament it says "the wages of sin is death". Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob all died yet they they are all alive. Jesus said this clearly when he said that God is the god of the living, and He is the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. Do you not understand what this means? In one sentence Jesus permanently silenced you and the JW's and the Sadducees who did not believe in the resurrection. Abraham Isaac and Jacob are not only alive in the future, they are alive right this instant as you are reading these words. Abraham is with the LORD. You will say to me "I believe in the resurrection", but you don't. You only believe in the resurrection of the righteous. Yet the Bible says the wicked will also be raised. So you don't believe what the Bible says about the resurrection.
Hell fire is significant. That is not the same as symbolic. It signifies the type and degree of torment they will experience who are not saved by God from the torment. When you quote Revelation you did not finish what he wrote:
Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death – the lake of fire. If anyone’s name was not found written in the book of life, that person was thrown into the lake of fire.
So there are two types of people in the world, those whose names are written in the book of life, and those who are thrown into the lake of fire. This is YOUR proof text, but it confirms what I am saying to you.
The right question is "How then is death defeated?" This is your question, it is the right question. It is not natural for man to die. Death is defeated when all men are raised from the dead. Death is defeated when Christ is raised from the dead. Death is defeated when no good man is disembodied, but returns to his right estate.
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Post by jstwebbrowsing on Aug 30, 2013 23:42:14 GMT -6
So then what can God do if he decides he wants to make something indestructible? Have to keep in mind that God is not part of what he creates. He is not limited by any rules of creation basically an indestructible object means it can not be destroyed by anything God(swt) created, Which is everything except God(swt) himself. To exist or not exist comes under the rules of creation. But God(swt) was not created and is not limited by the rules of what he has created. Therefore he will always have the ability to destroy everything he has created, even that which is indestructible. I did a little research on this at the Watchtower Online Library and this is what I came out with. I was a little off. They are immortal in the sense that they will not wear out. Their incorruptible nature ensures they will never be subject to death through disobedience. This incorruptible nature is what sets them above the angels. Therefore they are indestructible. So no, they are not more powerful than God.
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