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Post by questionmark on Sept 3, 2013 3:58:53 GMT -6
Someone wrote it. It's written.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 3, 2013 7:00:58 GMT -6
Someone wrote it. It's written. Yes people began writing it from the moment Muhammad(saws) began reciting it. However it was revealed orally and the main means of transmission was originally orally.. Arabic was in it's infancy as a written language very few people could read or write it. The first written Arabic dates back to less than 100 years before Muhammad(saws) was born. SOURCEThe Qur'an was revealed over a 23 year period the first Revelation in the year 610 the last in the year 632 For about the first 1000 years the primary source of transmission was through the Hafiz (People who have memorized it) But the individual Surat were written as they were recited. The First binding in a book form is the Uthman Qur'an written sometime in the 7th Century most likely begun in the year 644 it is still intact and currently in Tashkent. It is written in the Kufic script which was developed about 100 years before the writting of the Qur'an. In the past at least one person in every Muslim family was a Hafiz. Today only about 25% of the Muslims world wide are Hafiz The Hafiz are still the standard by which the Qur'an is learned.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 13:59:24 GMT -6
Thanks for your answers Wooddrow. I'm a bit preoccupied today and also I am thinking about this. One more question I have is what is "swt" ?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 3, 2013 16:15:59 GMT -6
Thanks for your answers Wooddrow. I'm a bit preoccupied today and also I am thinking about this. One more question I have is what is "swt" ? You probably notice we also put initials after the names of all Prophets. It is a sign of respect. Since so much of Islam is written in Arabic most of us follow the traditions of the Arabic Language even when writting in English. In Arabic there are no capital letters. so in Arabic you can not show respect simply by capitalizing a name. swt stands for the Arabic "Subhanna wa t'ala" which translated into English ls "All Praise and Glory be to God in the Highest"
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Post by Deleted on Sept 3, 2013 17:37:06 GMT -6
Thanks for your answers Wooddrow. I'm a bit preoccupied today and also I am thinking about this. One more question I have is what is "swt" ? You probably notice we also put initials after the names of all Prophets. It is a sign of respect. Since so much of Islam is written in Arabic most of us follow the traditions of the Arabic Language even when writting in English. In Arabic there are no capital letters. so in Arabic you can not show respect simply by capitalizing a name. swt stands for the Arabic "Subhanna wa t'ala" which translated into English ls "All Praise and Glory be to God in the Highest" That is very interesting. Thank you.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 6, 2013 15:45:19 GMT -6
Continuing on with Juz 30
Surat 80
Commentary by Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi
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Post by nabilbb on Sept 12, 2013 9:43:57 GMT -6
Woodrow Li, Though I thoroughly hate Islam, I think your account of becoming a Muslim was well said. Why do you hate Islam?
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Post by questionmark on Sept 13, 2013 23:48:06 GMT -6
Islam makes people feel comfortable rejecting God, because Jesus is God.
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 14, 2013 0:20:09 GMT -6
Islam makes people feel comfortable rejecting God, because Jesus is God. We follow the Teachings of Jesus(as) and pray as he taught. To God(swt) I am not aware of any Scripture in which Jesus(as) told us to pray to Jesus(as)
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Post by nabilbb on Sept 14, 2013 0:23:24 GMT -6
So in that case, you must hate Judaism, paganism, nudism, Hindu, atheism, .........etc Don't you see this is a little" accept my religion or I will hate you thing"? Why can't you have your religion and we have ours without any hate?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 14, 2013 0:33:34 GMT -6
So in that case, you must hate Judaism, paganism, nudism, Hindu, atheism, .........etc Don't you see this is a little" accept my religion or I will hate you thing"? Why can't you have your religion and we have ours without any hate? Like the Qur'an tells us in Surah al-Kafirun (Surah 109) In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful. 1 Say: O unbelievers! 2 I worship not that you worship, 3 nor will you worship that which I worship. 4 I shall never worship those gods whom you worship, 5 nor it appears will you ever worship Allah, whom I worship. 6 to you be your religion, and to me mine.
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Post by questionmark on Sept 14, 2013 2:23:43 GMT -6
Nabilbb, I don't hate Muslims.
I hate Islam.
Muslims are cool.
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Post by yusufnoor on Sept 18, 2013 13:07:01 GMT -6
None of the Quran makes any sense to a Christian who goes by the Word of God the Scriptures. the first words of the Qur'an are: BismiAllah Ar Rahman Ar Raheem (in the Name of Allah, the Most Benevolent, the Most Merciful - loosely translated) the next 3: Alhamdulillahi Raabil Alamin! Alhamdulillah is 3 words: liLLAH Al hamd. liLLAH means for Allah. hamd means true heartfelt thanks and praises. Al modifies hamd, making it ALL True and Heartfelt Thanks and Praises. if it was just "praise", it would have been "mudh'". hamd means much more than just praise. it means that these feelings must be real and that they must come from your heart. we can further break down Allah to Al Ilah. an Ilah in Arabic is something that you worship, it is similar to god (with a little "g"). the Al modifies it significantly! putting them together Al Ilah means the ONLY ONE worthy of ALL worship. so Alhamdulillah really means" ALL True heartfelt Thanks and Praise are due to The ONLY ONE worthy of ALL worship. added to this we have Raabil Alamin. Raab means, but is not limited to: Creator, Provider, Sustainer, Cherisher, Nourisher and Healer. Alamin can be translated as ALL that has been created. now, putting the 3 words together: Alhamdulillahi Raabil Alamin, we get: ALL True heartfelt Thanks and Praises are due to THE ONLY ONE worthy of ALL worship, [who is] the Creator, Provider, Sustainer, Cherisher, Nourisher and Healer of ALL that has been created.
i would say, there is nothing anywhere that makes more sense than that! after the next 2 verses, we read: IYYAAKA [You Alone] Na'budu[do we worship] wa IYYAAKA [You Alone] Nesta'eem[do we seek help]. that's it! we worship none but Allah and pray to and seek guidance only as instructed by Allah. putting the 2 verses together, we get this in translation: ALL True heartfelt Thanks and Praises are due to THE ONLY ONE worthy of ALL worship, [who is] the Creator, Provider, Sustainer, Cherisher, Nourisher and Healer of ALL that has been created. THAT Alone is Who we worship and THAT Alone is who we seek guidance from!this is Islam. Allah used 8 words to tell us ALL that we need to know! you CAN'T do that with English! Peace, Love and Joy, Sam
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Post by questionmark on Sept 20, 2013 9:51:32 GMT -6
Islam makes people feel comfortable rejecting God, because Jesus is God. We follow the Teachings of Jesus(as) and pray as he taught. To God(swt) I am not aware of any Scripture in which Jesus(as) told us to pray to Jesus(as) You go to God as sinners, unless you go by Jesus.
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Post by nabilbb on Sept 20, 2013 10:13:11 GMT -6
Muslims go by Jesus, you have to prove that Jesus said I am God or worship me
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 20, 2013 10:24:04 GMT -6
We follow the Teachings of Jesus(as) and pray as he taught. To God(swt) I am not aware of any Scripture in which Jesus(as) told us to pray to Jesus(as) You go to God as sinners, unless you go by Jesus. Here is an area in which we differ. We see it as a very grave sin to pray to Jesus(as) it is idolatry and the sin of shirk. the only sin that results in eternal punishment. We do see Jesus(as) as a great Prophet and the Messiah. but he is neither the Savior nor the "Son of God" God(swt) alone forgives sins. The path to God(swt) is through His Mercy.
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Post by questionmark on Sept 20, 2013 21:12:43 GMT -6
On what basis does Allah forgive sins?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 20, 2013 21:48:34 GMT -6
On what basis does Allah forgive sins? I assume you are asking what does a person need to do to be forgiven. If that is what you mean. Allaah(swt) will forgive whomever he chooses to forgive. We believe that those who sincerely repent and ask for forgiveness will be forgiven as Allaah(swt) is all merciful. There is nothing we as Humans can do to "earn" forgiveness. Yet, Allaah(swt) will give it freely with no strings attached if we are truly sorry for our sins and ask Allaah(swt) for forgiveness.
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Post by questionmark on Sept 20, 2013 23:16:20 GMT -6
So being truly sorry for our sins and asking forgiveness is the 'string'.
Does Allah forgive you for all of your sins on the whole or must you ask for forgiveness for each and every one?
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Post by Woodrow LI on Sept 21, 2013 0:01:17 GMT -6
So being truly sorry for our sins and asking forgiveness is the 'string'. Does Allah forgive you for all of your sins on the whole or must you ask for forgiveness for each and every one? We must ask forgiveness for all we remember. Typically we do ask for forgiveness each time we realise we might have committed a sin. Astagfirullah. (May Allah(swt) forgive me if I am wrong). A new convert is free from all sin the first time they say the Shahadah. All past sins prior to accepting Islam are forgiven. A major part of asking for forgiveness is to do our best to not repeat any sins and to make restitution to those we have harmed through our sins. None of us are perfect and all we are expected is to do the best we are capable of. doing. We also do not believe all sins lead to eternal punishment. The only sin that leads to eternal damnation is the sin of Shirk, which is the worship of anyone besides or in addition to Allaah(swt). for all other unforgiven sins we will be admitted to heaven after an unspecified time of punishment. This punishment can be during our lifetime, in the grave, in the after life or any combination.
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